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05 Golf TDI PD with Colt Cam stage 3 knocking.

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#1 ·
Hi all,

I replaced my original camshaft on my 05 Golf PD with a Colt Cam stage 3 camshaft a couple thousand miles ago.

I've done the final inspections prior to starting the engine making sure the engine and camshaft timing were correct, the engine turned over by hand normally and all seemed good to go, double checked everything.

Starting the engine went normal, all seemed good with the break in. I've driven the car for a couple thousand miles now, but today I went ahead and just started the engine to listen to everything. With the oil cap removed on the valve cover I can hear a lot of knocking under the valve cover. This is one of the reasons I thought my other camshaft needed replacement, and when inspected it was due replacement because of the sharp worn camshaft lobes.

I've uploaded video of the knocking sound coming from the head at idle, the engine now has around 160-something K miles.

I've also boroscoped the piston cylinders through the igniter plug holes a month ago and found no piston to valve contact, this is just more confirmation that my timing is OK for now without a VCDS timing setup.

My other guess the knocking is incomplete fuel combustion or inadequate fuel vaporization due to worn fuel injector nozzles. I did confirm irregular hot spots on the Pistons when boroscoping the Pistons so I do know the nozzles need replacement.


-Daniel
 
#5 · (Edited)
Daniel, have you found the problem?
I have an '05 Passat TDI.
My stage 3 Colt is quiet during normal driving but I do have a nasty tap when I'm accelerating under full throttle. I replaced the chrome lifters with the black ones in Kerma's kit. On cylinder 3 one of the chrome lifters had a small hole worn through, the cam lobe was heavily worn.
 
#14 ·
I spoke with Frank @ Franks TDI about getting a Cam. He told me that a Stage 3 Cam in a BHW head would lead to head cracks and gasket problems due to excessive EGT's. Said that they do extensive porting to reduce the problem but in his opinion going that route was a waste of time and money. Maybe your problems are related? Think I'll stick with the Stage 2 Colt.
 
#16 ·
Couple of things:
OP car was run with a lot of coolant in the oil, causing a complete failure of all the engine bearings. That was the knocking sound.

ChrisRoser, what you've been told about stage 3 cam causing cracks in the head is incorrect. High combustion pressures and temperatures can cause that damage, and the cam reduces egt not raises it. Also lowers effective compression by keeping the intake valve open longer. And removing material by "porting" can weaken the head in that critical area if it's not done correctly. When you consider those negative and somewhat drastic comments, consider that the Colt stage 3 cam requires a fresh billet grind. That's because the stage 3 dimensions are impossible to attain form a used camshaft- there is simply not enough material available on the stock camshaft lobes to regrind to colt stage 3 specs. So when you get "info" like that from a competitor without a comparable billet product, perhaps it should be considered in that context.
 
#17 ·
This is what a competitor sent me.

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 15:46:25 +0000
From: frankstdis
To: christopherroser
Subject: Re: PD Cam questions

how strange... you are the second in as many days talking about an Allroad conversion. The other fellow is converting an ALH with BHW pistons, which I may think better in some respects... injectors for one.
We do not feel that the PD motor is appropriate for big builds, as the head has cracking issues. That is not to say we do not increase the horsepower substantially. We have some builds in excess of 200hp. But that power comes with issues.
That being said, we obtained the 200+ hp with our stage II cam and our own design port. No matter what cam, we think that improving the ports, particularly the exhaust ports, is a marked improvement in efficiency and lowered EGT's.
Right now, it's super-busy. I would be interested in working with you and discussing your options another day. I can simply say that going to any Stage III cam is born of ignorance. The lifters are an issue anyway. Taking more steps to marginalize them is, in my opinion, something that should be reserved for full-race vehicles who are interested in dominating a class, but doing so at the cost of the engine.
Frank
Frank's VW TDI's, LLC
1007 Olive St.
Lockwood, MO 65682
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