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You need to get your motor scanned (preferably with VAG-COM\VCDS) for any error codes logged in the ecu and post them, that will save a lot of guessing and check systems out.
Here is the scan. Nothing related to coolant temp by my oppinion

Code:
Saturday,05,September,2020,05:26:08:40600

VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows XP x86

VCDS Version: 20.4.2.0

Data version: 20200730 DS317.0

www.Ross-Tech.com



VIN:    License Plate:

Mileage: 137750km-85593mi   Repair Order:

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Chassis Type: AJ-VW36 (7N0)

Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 1C 25 2E 42 44 46 52 56 62 72 77


VIN:    Mileage: 137750km-85593miles


01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010

03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010

04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000

08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000

09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010

15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000

16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000

17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000

19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000

1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000

25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000

2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000

42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000

44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000

46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000

52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000

56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010

62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000

72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000

77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000



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Address 01: Engine (CJA)       Labels: 03L-906-022-CBE.clb

   Part No SW: 03L 997 030 D    HW: 03L 907 309 AA

   Component: R4 2.0l TDI G000SG  9983

   Revision: 12H15---    Serial number:             

   Coding: 0050072

   Shop #: WSC 74291 008 00000

   VCID: AF6732ED3E8354FE3A-80FA


1 Fault Found:

000257 - Mass Air Flow Sensor (G70)

               P0101 - 003 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

             Freeze Frame:

                    Fault Status: 00100011

                    Fault Priority: 2

                    Fault Frequency: 1

                    Reset counter: 255

                    Mileage: 135868 km

                    Time Indication: 0

                    Date: 2020.06.08

                    Time: 20:11:37


             Freeze Frame:

                    RPM: 0 /min

                    Speed: 0.0 km/h

                    Voltage: 12.08 V

                    Load: 100.0 %

                    Load: 100.0 %

                    Mass Air / Rev.: 1100.0 mg/str

                    Mass Air / Rev.: 0.0 mg/str


Readiness: 0 0 0 1 0


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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb

   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 BL    HW: 1K0 907 379 BL

   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H31 0152

   Revision: 00H31001 

   Coding: 114B600C492800FF880D06ED92220042B70000

   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000

   VCID: FDFBD8A5646F766EF8-80A8


1 Fault Found:

01325 - Control Module for Tire Pressure Monitoring (J502)

            004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

             Freeze Frame:

                    Fault Status: 00100100

                    Fault Priority: 2

                    Fault Frequency: 1

                    Reset counter: 11

                    Mileage: 137017 km

                    Time Indication: 0

                    Date: 2015.01.03

                    Time: 00:21:22


             Freeze Frame:

                    Count: 2

                    Count: 1024

                    Count: 12800

                    Count: 16390

                    Count: 49152

                    Count: 0

                    Count: 260

                    Count: 0



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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301)       Labels:| 3C8-907-336.clb

   Part No SW: 7N0 907 426 BH    HW: 7N0 907 426 BH

   Component: AC Manuell    H20 0505

   Revision: 00001018 

   Coding: 0010002002

   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00118

   ASAM Dataset: EV_ACManueBHBVW36X A01010

   ROD: EV_ACManueBHBVW36X_VW36.rod

   VCID: FBFFD6BD727B785EC6-80AE


No fault code found.


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519)       Labels:. 1K0-937-08x-09.clb

   Part No SW: 5K0 937 084 J    HW: 5K0 937 084 J

   Component: BCM PQ35 B    021 3068

   Revision: BG021001 

   Coding: 2F380E3A802F3EC4008800C17000004449000086535D0560648020200040

   Shop #: WSC 20349 003 1048576

   VCID: B9730CB530C78A4E94-80EC


   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 5K1 955 119   Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB

   Component: Wischer 13021  26  0512

   Coding: 009795


5 Faults Found:

00985 - Right Tail Light (M2)

            010 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent

             Freeze Frame:

                    Fault Status: 00101010

                    Fault Priority: 2

                    Fault Frequency: 1

                    Reset counter: 248

                    Mileage: 136055 km

                    Time Indication: 0

                    Date: 2014.11.21

                    Time: 12:29:43


             Freeze Frame:

                        Term 15 On

                    Voltage: 13.95 V

                        ON

                        ON

                        OFF

                        OFF

                        OFF


00988 - Lamp for Brake Light; Right (M10)

            010 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent

             Freeze Frame:

                    Fault Status: 00101010

                    Fault Priority: 1

                    Fault Frequency: 1

                    Reset counter: 248

                    Mileage: 136055 km

                    Time Indication: 0

                    Date: 2014.11.21

                    Time: 12:29:43


             Freeze Frame:

                        Term 15 On

                    Voltage: 13.95 V

                        ON

                        ON

                        OFF

                        OFF

                        OFF


01504 - Bulb for License-Plate Light (X)

            010 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent

             Freeze Frame:

                    Fault Status: 00101010

                    Fault Priority: 2

                    Fault Frequency: 2

                    Reset counter: 17

                    Mileage: 137647 km

                    Time Indication: 0

                    Date: 2015.01.12

                    Time: 21:07:26


             Freeze Frame:

                        Term 15 On

                    Voltage: 13.55 V

                        ON

                        ON

                        OFF

                        OFF

                        OFF


01505 - Bulb for Blinkers; Rear Right (M8)

            010 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent

             Freeze Frame:

                    Fault Status: 00101010

                    Fault Priority: 2

                    Fault Frequency: 1

                    Reset counter: 248

                    Mileage: 136055 km

                    Time Indication: 0

                    Date: 2014.11.21

                    Time: 12:29:43


             Freeze Frame:

                        Term 15 On

                    Voltage: 13.95 V

                        ON

                        ON

                        OFF

                        OFF

                        OFF


01519 - Bulb for Back-Up Lights; Right (M17)

            010 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent

             Freeze Frame:

                    Fault Status: 00101010

                    Fault Priority: 2

                    Fault Frequency: 1

                    Reset counter: 248

                    Mileage: 136055 km

                    Time Indication: 0

                    Date: 2014.11.21

                    Time: 12:29:44


             Freeze Frame:

                        Term 15 On

                    Voltage: 13.95 V

                        ON

                        ON

                        OFF

                        OFF

                        OFF



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Address 15: Airbags (J234)       Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb

   Part No SW: 5C0 959 655 M    HW: 5C0 959 655 M

   Component: AirbagVW10G   014 0726

   Serial number: 003L4R016VJQ

   Coding: 00004E42

   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000

   ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360 001026

   ROD: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360.rod

   VCID: BC7D15A137F5BF668F-80E8


   Seat occupied recognition:

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 1KM 959 339 B    HW: 1KM 959 339 B

   Component: BF-Gewichtss.  006 0001

   Serial number: ---0000R--00006MPZ00


   Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:

   Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 1KM 955 557     HW: 1KM 955 557

   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.V  H01 ----

   Serial number: 3572MSME6B553349ZZZ$


   Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side:

   Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 1KM 955 557     HW: 1KM 955 557

   Component: S.Sens.Beif.V  H02 ----

   Serial number: 3582MSME6E271373ZZZ.


   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side:

   Component: S.Sens.Fahr.H  --- ----

   Serial number: 3511HSME385F092FZZZ


   Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side:

   Component: S.Sens.Beif.H  --- ----

   Serial number: 3521HSME0D110A2FZZZO


   Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side:

   Component: F.Sens.Fahr  --- ----

   Serial number: 35527SME145E4A2EZZZU


   Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side:

   Component: F.Sens.Beif  --- ----

   Serial number: 35627SME194E4A2EZZZZ


No fault code found.


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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527)       Labels:| 5K0-953-569.clb

   Part No SW: 5K0 953 507 BC    HW: 5K0 953 549 E

   Component: Lenks.Modul   008 0090

   Revision: --------    Serial number:  90440LLK000IA

   Coding: 108A140000

   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00184

   ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSNGKUDS A05001

   ROD: EV_SMLSNGKUDS_A05.rod

   VCID: F2E1FB992531391695-80A6


   Multifunction steering wheel control module:

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 542 C    HW: 5K0 959 542 C  Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB

   Component: E221__MFL-TAS  H31 0037

   Serial number: 0046626 FLE 20130103

   Coding: 820000


No fault code found.


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Address 17: Instruments (J285)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1

   Part No SW: 5K0 920 973 C    HW: 5K0 920 973 C

   Component: KOMBI         H05 0705

   Serial number: 00000000000000

   Coding: 280F01

   Shop #: WSC 00066 123 00118

   ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04716

   ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW32.rod

   VCID: B1633495E0B7420E2C-80E4


No fault code found.


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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533)       Labels:. 7N0-907-530-V2.clb

   Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 AF    HW: 7N0 907 530 AF

   Component: J533  Gateway H52 1634

   Revision:   H52       Serial number: 08011303270698

   Coding: 352002

   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000

   VCID: F4EDFD815725372687-80A0


No fault code found.


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Address 1C: Position Sensing        Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl

   Part No SW: 5N0 919 879     HW: 5N0 919 879

   Component: Kompass         002 0002

   Revision: 00002000    Serial number: 1225223RLJKS07

   Coding: 0000002

   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000

   VCID: FEF9DFA9A9696D76E1-80AA


No fault code found.


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Address 25: Immobilizer (J334)       Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb

   Part No SW: 5K0 953 234     HW: 5K0 953 234

   Component: IMMO          H05 0705

   Serial number:             

   Coding: 000000

   Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000

   ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03709

   ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW31.rod

   VCID: EAD1E3F90DE1F1D62D-80BE


No fault code found.


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Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650)       Labels:. 5N0-035-342.lbl

   Part No SW: 5N0 035 342 F    HW: 5N0 035 342 F

   Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H19 0550

   Revision: A1001003    Serial number: 7663940899 

   Coding: 010100

   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000

   VCID: AA5123F9C56131D6ED-80FE


No fault code found.


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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386)       Labels:| 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb

   Part No SW: 561 959 701     HW: 3C0 959 793 B

   Component: TUER-SG FT    002 0501

   Revision: 13110009    Serial number: 0006211554

   Coding: 0004B5

   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316

   ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X A04001

   ROD: EV_TSGFPQ35BRFVW46X_VW36.rod

   VCID: DBBFB63DD2BB985EA6-808E


   Slave Driver:

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3C0 959 703 C    HW: 3C0 959 795 D  Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB

   Component: J388__TSG-HL  008 1509

   Serial number: 00000007513081   

   Coding: 000490


No fault code found.


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Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1K0-909-14x-GEN3.clb

   Part No: 1K0 909 144 P

   Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 70     3305

   Revision: 00H22000 

   Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108

   VCID: B7770A8DC6D39C3E62-80E2


No fault code found.


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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387)       Labels:| 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb

   Part No SW: 561 959 702     HW: 3C0 959 792 B

   Component: TUER-SG BT    002 0501

   Revision: 15110009    Serial number: 0006225818

   Coding: 0004B4

   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316

   ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X A04001

   ROD: EV_TSGBPQ35BRFVW46X_VW36.rod

   VCID: DCBDB521D7B59F66AF-8088


   Slave Passenger:

   Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3C0 959 704 C    HW: 3C0 959 794 D  Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB

   Component: J389__TSG-HR  008 1509

   Serial number: 00000007450882   

   Coding: 000490


No fault code found.


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Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb

   Part No SW: 1K0 035 180 AF    HW: 1K0 035 180 AF

   Component: Radio Prem-8  H05 0008

   Revision: -----09S    Serial number: VWZ4Z7N3407525

   Coding: 01000400040007

   Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000

   VCID: E4CD8DC1E7C5A7A617-80B0


1 Fault Found:

02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated

            000 - -

             Freeze Frame:

                    Fault Status: 01100000

                    Fault Priority: 7

                    Fault Frequency: 4

                    Reset counter: 227

                    Mileage: 129255 km

                    Time Indication: 0

                    Date: 2019.12.26

                    Time: 02:52:51



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Address 77: Telephone (J412)       Labels:| 7P6-035-730.clb

   Part No SW: 7P6 035 730 K    HW: 7P6 035 730 K

   Component: TELEFON       H15 3200

   Revision: 1B001001    Serial number: 00007664011860

   Coding: 0A10040000010110

   Shop #: WSC 01383 790 50316

   ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVNA 002720

   ROD: EV_UHVNA_002.rod

   VCID: BA7113B93DC181569D-80EE


No fault code found.


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My needle doesn't start to move from the cold position until around 110F. By 140F it parks at the 190F mark and hasn't gone any higher than that and the highest I have seen is 223F climbing out of Death Valley in June. It was the same thing with my 06 BEW. 235F seems a little high to me.
Well, 235F may see a bit high but considering conditions, i.e. towing 3000lb in 116F hot day up to a 5 miles long grade with
elevation difference about 650ft, with A/C on 2, in 5th gear (MT), around 2000rpm, 60-55mph. Starting temp was 93C (199F) gradually reaching 113C (235F) near the top of the hill. So, bit high but not surprising. I wonder how close I was to temp gauge needle to start moving. Whole point of this exercise is to find out how much "time" the temp gauge gives the driver to react/correct the situation. For example, and I'm exagerating just to make a point, it's worthless if the gauge needle does not move at all, giving a driver false comfort until it suddenly jumps to the red zone without warning. Then it can be too late to correct the situation.
 

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The temperature gauge is a quesstimate..

You need to get your motor scanned (preferably with VAG-COM\VCDS) for any error codes logged in the ecu and post them, that will save a lot of guessing and check systems out.
 

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Well, 235F may see a bit high but considering conditions, i.e. towing 3000lb in 116F hot day up to a 5 miles long grade with
elevation difference about 650ft, with A/C on 2, in 5th gear (MT), around 2000rpm, 60-55mph. Starting temp was 93C (199F) gradually reaching 113C (235F) near the top of the hill. So, bit high but not surprising. I wonder how close I was to temp gauge needle to start moving. Whole point of this exercise is to find out how much "time" the temp gauge gives the driver to react/correct the situation. For example, and I'm exagerating just to make a point, it's worthless if the gauge needle does not move at all, giving a driver false comfort until it suddenly jumps to the red zone without warning. Then it can be too late to correct the situation.
I don't think I would test it by possibly overheating the engine. It would be less expensive to get another temp sensor, plug it into the harness outside the engine, and use a heat gun to answer your question.
 

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I don't think I would test it by possibly overheating the engine. It would be less expensive to get another temp sensor, plug it into the harness outside the engine, and use a heat gun to answer your question.
This experiment may answer my question, although little too complicated. I was hoping that the answer would be out there, already known among people who own or work on their TDIs.
So, once I know from the experiment how temp gauge behaves, related question would be at which point I should be alarmed, i.e. what is the max temp that is still safe? Based on the dash temp gauge as an ordinary driver I should not be concerned to much (just keeping an eye on it) until the needle approaches red zone, i.e. 250F. Is my assumption correct?
Does the car have any safeguards against overheating, for example shutting off A/C automatically, turning heater on, throttling fuel, eliminating post-combustion fuel injection (the one for emission reduction), etc... and some kind of alarm that you just can't ignore?


To Keithuk: Do you think I have a problem with engine? Or whith the temp gauge or both? I already posted VCDS scan in post #21 of this thread. Note that the "Engine Malfunction" occured 2000kilometers ago.
 

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Found the answer to my own question: Temp gauge needle started moving up around 115C (240F) reported by VCDS from G62-coolant temp sensor during driving. Temp gauge needle peaked the 240F mark while VCDS reported 121.5C (250F) at that moment. As the needle started raising I noticed A/C quit working. Interestingly, the 110V converter did not quit.
 
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