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I have a 2005 Golf TDI that seems to have a bad cluster. The immobilzer is tripped and I can't clear it. Over the past week, the tach, lights and beeping would sporadically Blink, beep and not work and the car would go into limp mode. It seems like a bad connection internal to the cluster, because it seems to start/stop when I hit a bump. I was able to reset things by pulling the Relay 109 out. But now that doesn't seem to be working.

A couple of questions:
1) Can I replace the cluster with a used one?
2) How can I read the SKC of the current cluster? I saw a post or two referencing VAG DASH or Vag Tacho..
3) Can I read the SKC of a used cluster?
4) Can I disable the immobilizer?
The dealer said it would cost ~$1000, and I am really not fond of that approach.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 

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What error code(s) are you getting?

1. Yes but you can't change the mileage without hacking tools that often don't work. You need the SKC. A new one or one with only a few miles on it can have the mileage increased.
2. Take a look at the immobilizer FAQ article...
3. Yes.
4. Yes but it requires a reflash of the computer.
 

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Codes and another observation

Just drove the car for over an hour without the heat, and it was fine....

This all started when the air temp got really cold, and I have been cranking the heat. Not sure it has anything to do with it but I am going to try to replicate it. Right now the car is idling with the heat blasting. I might be grasping at straws....



Here are the Codes:

Sunday,23,January,2011,12:37:52:26358
VCDS Version: Release 10.6.3
Data version: 20101206



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Address 01: Engine Labels: 038-906-016-BEW.lbl
Control Module Part Number: 038 906 016 Q HW: 028 101 181 2
Component and/or Version: R4 1,9L EDC G000AG 6110
Software Coding: 0150034
Work Shop Code: WSC 00000 785 00200
VCID: 22419E578449
5 Faults Found:

18080 - Coolant Fan Control 1: Open or Short to Ground
P1672 - 000 - -
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 0 /min
Torque: 162.0 Nm
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Load: 0.0 %
Voltage: 12.01 V
Bin. Bits: 00001100
Temperature: 8.1°C
Duty Cycle: 0.0 %

18058 - Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from Instrument Cluster
P1650 - 000 - -
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 1680 /min
Torque: 148.0 Nm
Speed: 77.0 km/h
Load: 56.1 %
Voltage: 14.59 V
Bin. Bits: 00001000
Torque: 264.0 Nm
Torque: 180.0 Nm

18057 - Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from ABS Controller
P1649 - 000 - -
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 1680 /min
Torque: 148.0 Nm
Speed: 77.0 km/h
Load: 56.1 %
Voltage: 14.59 V
Bin. Bits: 00001000
Torque: 264.0 Nm
Bin. Bits: 00000000

18044 - Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from Airbag Controller
P1636 - 000 - -
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 1680 /min
Torque: 148.0 Nm
Speed: 77.0 km/h
Load: 56.1 %
Voltage: 14.59 V
Bin. Bits: 00001000
Torque: 264.0 Nm
Torque: 180.0 Nm

17978 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer
P1570 - 000 - - - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 0 /min
Torque: 0.0 Nm
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Load: 0.0 %
Voltage: 12.01 V
Bin. Bits: 00001100
Bin. Bits: 00000000
(no units): 0.0


Readiness: 1 2 1 0 1

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Address 01: DTCs cleared
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Address 02: DTCs cleared
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Address 03: DTCs cleared
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Address 03: DTCs cleared
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Address 01: DTCs cleared
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Address 01: DTCs cleared
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Address 01: DTCs cleared
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Address 01: DTCs cleared
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Address 03: DTCs cleared
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Address 03: DTCs cleared
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Address 03: DTCs cleared
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Address 19: DTCs cleared
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Address 01: DTCs cleared
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Address 19: DTCs cleared
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Address 01: DTCs cleared
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Address 01: DTCs cleared
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Address 01: DTCs cleared
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Address 01: DTCs cleared
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Address 02: DTCs cleared
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Address 03: DTCs cleared
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Address 17: DTCs cleared
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Address 19: DTCs cleared
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Address 46: DTCs cleared
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Address 56: DTCs cleared
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Chassis Type: 1J - VW Golf/Bora IV
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 22 29 35 36 37 39 46 47 55 56 57 75
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VIN: 9BWGR61J054012590 Mileage: 182920km/113661miles
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Address 01: Engine Labels: 038-906-016-BEW.lbl
Part No SW: 038 906 016 Q HW: 028 101 181 2
Component: R4 1,9L EDC G000AG 6110
Revision: 12345678 Serial number: VWZ7Z0D0437099
Coding: 0150034
Shop #: WSC 00000 785 00200
VCID: 22419E578449

4 Faults Found:
18058 - Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from Instrument Cluster
P1650 - 000 - -
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 0 /min
Torque: 66.0 Nm
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Load: 0.0 %
Voltage: 11.86 V
Bin. Bits: 00001100
Torque: 0.0 Nm
Torque: 110.0 Nm

18057 - Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from ABS Controller
P1649 - 000 - -
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 0 /min
Torque: 66.0 Nm
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Load: 0.0 %
Voltage: 11.86 V
Bin. Bits: 00001100
Torque: 0.0 Nm
Bin. Bits: 00000000

18044 - Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from Airbag Controller
P1636 - 000 - -
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 0 /min
Torque: 66.0 Nm
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Load: 0.0 %
Voltage: 11.86 V
Bin. Bits: 00001100
Torque: 0.0 Nm
Torque: 110.0 Nm

18080 - Coolant Fan Control 1: Open or Short to Ground
P1672 - 000 - -
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 0 /min
Torque: 66.0 Nm
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Load: 0.0 %
Voltage: 11.86 V
Bin. Bits: 00001100
Temperature: 14.4°C
Duty Cycle: 0.0 %

Readiness: 0 0 1 1 1

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Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 09A-927-750.lbl
Part No: 09A 927 750 BL
Component: AG5 Getriebe 09A 0262
VCID: 76E992077841

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1C0-907-37x-ESP-F.lbl
Part No: 1C0 907 379 M
Component: ESP FRONT MK60 0102
Coding: 0019458
Shop #: WSC 00000 785 00200
VCID: 346D680F2EBD

2 Faults Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication
01315 - Transmission Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 15: Airbags Labels:
VCID: 55ABF58B8587


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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1J0-920-xx5-17.lbl
Part No: 1J0 920 907 F
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V03
Coding: 15234
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 2C5D706FF68D
9BWGR61J054012590 VWZ7Z0D0437099

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
Part No: 6N0 909 901
Component: Gateway K<->CAN 0001
Coding: 00006
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: F0E5241F9A25

2 Faults Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
49-00 - No Communications
01315 - Transmission Control Module
49-00 - No Communications

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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1C0-959-799.lbl
Part No: 1C0 959 799 C
Component: 8C Komfortgerát HLO 0004
Coding: 00258
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 37775F033FCB

Part No: 1C1959801A
Component: 8C Tõrsteuer.FS KLO 0202

Part No: 1C1959802A
Component: 8C Tõrsteuer.BF KLO 0202

Part No: 1C0959811A
Component: 8C Tõrsteuer.HL KLO 0202

Part No: 1C0959812A
Component: 8C Tõrsteuer.HR KLO 0202

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio Labels: 3B7-035-1xx-56.lbl
Part No: 3B7 035 180 G
Component: Radio ZSW 0016
Coding: 00031
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 244D984F9E5D

No fault code found.

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I personally would pull the 109 relay, open it up and EXAMINE all the solders on the circuit board with a good strong magnifying glass... I use the lens from an old fog-lamp. You may well find cracks around the 30 power post where it solders to the board. We used to have lots of problems with them!
 

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Yeh! prove it lol.

The relay can cause running issues but I don't think it's related to the immo in any way. I could be wrong though and am willing to be corrected.:D

Also welcometomyturbodies hxcdirtydan.
 
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