Why I love vw's. Not Asian cars.

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  1. Weggman

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    Hello All, .
    People often ask me why I dislike Asian cars especially Toyota's. This may sound negative but it's not bad if you realize why. I have had several and grew up with them and lots of VW aircooled EVERYTHING! I've owned several celicas, corollas, mk2 and a beloved 1984 P/U diesel that was stolen several times and finally made it to Mexico where I'm sure it's still running! I can tell you the inner workings of a 18-22re engine. I can quote to you the abstract descriptions of "the Toyota way" book and understand ALL of it. It wasn't until I become aware of the loss this country gave in men and woman to defeat Japan in college and in the military, just what we have lost as a culture.
    To me Toyota is the giant middle finger of japan pointed straight at us after we crushed them in WW2. I think that their quality is fantastic, it should be it's an American Idea! Their cars are a bit boring but understand that TAG is in the business of "making vehicles that fit a larger market of people in the world". These people could be described as "not car people". They just need a simple care free machine to get them to and fro. OK , but that is not reason enough. I could point out that I would rather stick with a company that keeps DEISEL POWER in the US. Companies like VW and Ford. BUT the big reason is we gave a national treasure to Japan , W. Edwards Deming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming , and now in every item they produce I feel we as Americans "should be the Best in the car business". That being said I do realize it's our own fault and Ford along with many others tried to right the wrong with Dr. Deming. That's why I don't like them. Their success is the failure of the American culture. Not that we are a bad culture but our differences are vast from the Asian cultures. Even if we could have realized Dr. Deming's genius, we would not have been able to appreciate it and apply it like the Asain's did from the 1950's. Now we are the culture that is trouble. Funny the irony.
    Off the soap box. Thank you for the space.
     
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    Dr. Deming tried to sell his ideas to American industry and was pretty much laughed at. Reinforces the old adage that if you have a good idea you wouldn't have to worry about someone stealing it because you will have to ram it down their throat.

    The advantage the Japanese had after the war was their infrastructure was completely wiped out.Which gave Dr. Demming a clean slate to work with.
     
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    Yes very true. They had nowhere to go but up. Thank you for sharing. I was hoping for more response. I tried to post this on tdi club, it got shot down.
     
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    In all fairness, I think this was the case up until the 80s when the American car companies began to turn around. Now Japanese and German companies have plants and management in the US and it's a different story. Korean car companies are also on the rise: 25 years ago, Hyundai made the biggest POS but I think they're as reliable as Toyota now and Toyota has only average reliability. Their highline cars like the Equus are comparable to much more expensive cars. Cadillac used to be the standard of the world and I think they make the best looking cars today. (Toyota, the ugliest by far).

    I believe Honda makes the most reliable cars since they held onto their engineering culture the longest. It came from the top down. The original Acura NSX blew Ferrari out of the water in every single respect when it came out but the new NSX concepts are lukewarm, heavy, and complicated.

    Some of this is also that cars have many, many more parts than they used to.
     
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    Well I posted this on several web pages and I have to tell you this was the nicest response I have got so far. For the record this was a exercise for a cultural diversity course that I had to catalog and rate responses on a subject in random. Although "Hate" is my least favorite
    word it did solicit some great responses. I just chose to write about something I enjoy ie: history of auto manufacturing and so on instead of " finding out how many people like Obama or something like that". BTW I love anything Honda makes for ATV's and commercial
    equipment, won't ever buy a car from them just stubborn I guess. Thanks for the comments, it was better than standing in front of Wal-Mart in the cold :){
     
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    And it deserves to be shot down, to absolute smithereens! Let me get this straight, you're saying you won't buy a toyota because an American guy helped them "beat" our car companies? Then you say "their success is the failure of american culture"? I don't know who you were talking about with that quote, Ford, or the japanese companies.

    Then you say "It wasn't until I become aware of the loss this country gave in men and woman to defeat Japan in college and in the military, just what we have lost as a culture."

    Yeah, the loss "we" gave? Oh, you mean the two nuclear bombs that landed on an incredible number of completely innocent people, people just trying to work and raise their families, who wanted nothing to do with war?

    You have this "Us against Them" mentality, which is completely the wrong way to look at the world. When you look to find the source of problems in the world, look UP, not across. The people in power, the people with the money and influence, the people with a vested interest in the way things are. The people who have an agenda that is not in our interest. Those people are the same across almost the entire world, except for a few places, like North Korea, they're all more or less on the same team. Most of what happens is part of their agenda, in ways people cannot even comprehend. Everything from wars to to compulsory education to the rise of feminism to the american federal reserve being a private bank. Those people are the ones who own all of our media, and who "create" our "culture". The lack of morality, the rise of the "hookup culture", daytime TV garbage, the stupid, repeated ideas that we all should go to college, go into debt, and get jobs working for others, rather than be entrepreneurs, the horrible dumbing down of America. Everything you can think of is tremendously influenced by a very small number of people, in very high positions of power. Even things you would not associate at all with this, like the absolutely disgusting epidemic of obesity in America, it's all done by design.
    Those are the people who want to create a two class society with a powerful world government, and that's why they're weakening america in all the ways I mentioned, while exporting all the jobs and manufacturing. You can't have a world government with a strong, independent America. Ruining the economy, wrecking the dollar through inflation, etc, that's all being done by design.

    I'm getting "political" here because you are. You're making buying a car a political decision. But even with your "down for the home team" mentality, you haven't addressed how so many "American" car companies are building cars elsewhere, when the "japanese" companies are the designing, building and selling cars right here. Nissan builds vehicles in Tennessee. The new Titan, with the 5.0 cummins, will be a real all american pickup truck. It really annoys me when I go to a parts store looking for a honda part and the moron working there says "I don't know about them import cars". My honda was made in Ohio.




    But the thing that really gets me about your "us vs them" mentality, talking about WW2, is how the hell did you forget that Germany was our enemy, more than Japan? You remember Hitler, and the nazis, and the concentration camps where they imprisoned the Jews? Ringing any bells there? Or how about the history of the original VW Bug, and Hitler's involvement in that?





    I think you must just be racist against Asians or something, I don't know. None of your viewpoints make any sense to me. Why don't you just look at a car for what it is, a car? Look at the quality, and if it's what you want. The Japanese cars absolutely Killed american cars for a while, and they deserved to. While American cars were ugly, inefficient, slow, unreliable, pieces of cheaply assembled garbage, Toyota was building cars like the Supra, and serving us up with Lexus, some of the highest build quality cars on the planet. But you want to hate because they're Japanese. The Supra will do 900+whp fairly reliably on a completely internally stock motor, stock tranny, stock rear end. The skylines, 300Z, Supra, the japanese made drifting almost mainstream. How can anyone hate on that? I don't get it. VW was building mostly mass market garbage back then, underengineered cars like my '97 Jetta, which made me swear to never buy another VW again. That car had a build quality so low it was only rivaled my my 2 cadillacs. But I decided to give them another chance, with my 2011 Golf TDI, so here I am, writing this post to you. FML.
     
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    Holy crap OP have you lost your marbles?!!!!!
     
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    I was wondering if this thread was going to go missed...
     
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    political posts bad.....

    my opinion sux so bad on such topics.. but here you go... hitler copied what those who took over north america did to the natives... no differance at all except we starved or shot them if they tried to leve the barren areas they were forced to move to...

    so the day politics wants to play the race game... simple solution i have... easy.. i hate everyone.. find a way for me to want to like you on a indivdual level... else.. keep away.. your just a stepping stone... just trying to play a pity card... this country was built on death of people trying to protect their land...

    i drive vw diesels as for every cent i can not pay in silly taxes, i can acheive easy with diesel over gas, and vw diesel robust and high mpg vs any other option iun usa... i live my life thumbing my nose to the joke that has become...

    so go throw stones, make occults, make war... what you all want... no wait thats power and money thru those you can squish...
     
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    Nope.

    But it belongs in the OFF RAMP with the rest of the oddities.
     
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    Ha! Two you just supplied the OP with volumes of red meat for his cultural diversity exercise.
     
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    This is great reading thank you. Glad to see so many out there with the sack to support their opinion. Thanks for all the good feedback. Red meat out
     
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    My son is buying a new vehicle today, he was going to buy a VW, after the chicken shit workers believed the lying *******s, he is getting a Mazda3.
    I was under the impression the US was the land of the free and brave not ass kissing fools, that are so afraid of their jobs they believe people that have done nothing for them is 15 years, but still vote for them and believe their BS.
    Mind the rant but I have a great dislike for cowards.
    Just a thought!
     
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    Can we play 'Wheel of Fortune' on your asterisk'ed word? My guess: liberals
     
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    It is the ****** probe party.
     
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    There is a swear filter on this forum which replaces certain words with ***. This is to keep the forum work safe and allow people visiting from work to not get this site banned under work filters. Liberals is not one of them. JohnP3, I added a new one because certain body parts should be flagged as well. This is to prevent porn spam.
     
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    I must need to work on my vocabulary because I'm still stumped.
     
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    It was a rant against the fine VW workers that chose on their own to reject the UAW. This was despite VW's allowing the UAW to "work" the plant for their unionization drive. Things are different in the south...and I suspect that is a good thing.
     
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    Yup. Tennessee isn't Michigan.
     

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