RNS 315 coding issue or antenna issue?

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  1. chittychittybangbang

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    I installed an RNS315 the other day, worked fine during testing. The next day, its location is about 600 miles off in Canada. Then the location was jumping around. Any ideas? Could it be an antenna problem?

    Here is the coding of the RNS-315. The compass module was unplugged and position sensing was turned off in the CAN BUS with navigation turned on.

    This is on a 2012 Golf 2.5 with CAN BUS# 7n0 907 530 h. Attached is a screenshot of the rns315 coding.

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  2. Keithuk

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    Does an Autoscan show any errors Chitty?
  3. s0le1728

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    Hey Chitty, I will be purchasing a new antenna for the unit to rule out that out as an issue. I'll keep you posted once the new antenna arrives.
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    No errors, a battery reset didn't do anything, I am still waiting on the results of this.
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    I don't know if VAG-COM\VCDS shows any Measuring Blocks for the Navigation on signal strength but you could try a driving test if it does.
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    just got the new antenna(s) in about to slap them on and see if that fixes the issue. I'll update with my findings.
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    I can't see the SW level but the NAR vehicles have a TSB 91-10-33 (2024776) Radio, Navigation RNS 315, Updated Programming for System Reset

    "Software problem in RNS 315 causes unit to reset if the vehicle position is west of 128° longitude. The problem only occurs in Alaska, Hawaii and the Canadian provinces of British Columbia and Yukon."

    I haven't spoke to anyone that actually had a problem, but I wouldn't be surprised if "system reset" wasn't the only correction that update resolved. Post the scan if this isn't fixed.
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    Would position sensing being turned on make any difference? From what I hear, some people leave it on and the NAV works fine. Was there a difference in year?
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    A lot of people report conflicts when the 1C-Position Sensing / Compass module is plugged in with the RNS-510 retrofits but I never unplugged mine. The only functional concern I have is when the car is stopped and on a specific dash/MFA screen, the small icon compass display switches on and off with a mild flickering every few seconds. The normal (large) Navi compass screen that is shown when you do not have a destination entered with active navigation directions is fine.

    Hopefully someone with the 315 will leave comments on that issue. It wouldn't hurt to unplug is and remove the 1C module from the installation list in the Gateway.
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    Here a screen shot of the gps location information, signal strength and gps status. The screen show shows that its clearly not getting the signal.....

    [​IMG]

    and also down below show a full scan of my car. Ignore the abs malfunction (disconnected battery) along with the TPS sensors (leaky value stem) and truck light (led bulb);


    Chassis Type: 7N0
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 1C 25 37 42 44 46 52 56 77

    VIN: WVWBB7AJXCW030157

    01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    1C-Position Sensing -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    37-Navigation -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
    77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine (CBU) Labels: 07K-906-055-CBT.clb
    Part No SW: 07K 906 055 CL HW: 07K 907 309 B
    Component: 2,5l R5/4V G01 1158
    Revision: T4H04--- Serial number:
    Coding: 0000075
    Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
    VCID: 7AF0376E4BC5

    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0000 0000

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 09G-927-750.lbl
    Part No SW: 09G 927 750 LM HW: 09G 927 750 MK
    Component: AQ 250 6F 1919
    Revision: 00H90000 Serial number:
    Coding: 0000840
    Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
    VCID: 8716DE9A8837

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels: 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
    Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 BJ HW: 1K0 907 379 BJ
    Component: ESP MK60EC1 H31 0121
    Revision: 00H31001
    Coding: 114B400C492500FA880C02E992200041B70000
    Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
    VCID: 7BFE326A44FF

    2 Faults Found:
    02214 - Tire Pressure Warning
    002 - Lower Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
    Freeze Frame:
    Fault Status: 00100010
    Fault Priority: 2
    Fault Frequency: 3
    Reset counter: 128
    Mileage: 2029 km
    Time Indication: 0
    Date: 2002.14.27
    Time: 16:11:51

    Freeze Frame:
    Count: 0
    Count: 32768
    Count: 4608
    Count: 16401
    Count: 50433
    Count: 1
    Count: 1026
    Count: 0

    01325 - Control Module for Tire Pressure Monitoring (J502)
    004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
    Freeze Frame:
    Fault Status: 00100100
    Fault Priority: 2
    Fault Frequency: 1
    Reset counter: 139
    Mileage: 2421 km
    Time Indication: 0
    Date: 2003.14.03
    Time: 00:01:41

    Freeze Frame:
    Count: 2
    Count: 12
    Count: 12800
    Count: 16390
    Count: 51200
    Count: 0
    Count: 65281
    Count: 0


    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC (J301) Labels: None
    Part No SW: 7N0 907 426 AN HW: 7N0 907 426 AN
    Component: AC Manuell H19 0304
    Revision: 00001015
    Coding: 0000001002
    Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
    ASAM Dataset: EV_ACManueBHBVW36X A01010
    ROD: EV_ACManueBHBVW36X_VW36.rod
    VCID: 8004C586AD19

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels: 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
    Part No SW: 1K0 937 084 G HW: 1K0 937 084 G
    Component: BCM PQ35 B 110 0651
    Revision: 00110 AC
    Coding: 69180A3A90272A04008800C1500004044A010386424D8D60648020200040
    Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
    VCID: 3260DF4ED335

    Subsystem 1 - Part No: 5K1 955 119 Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
    Component: Wischer 03061 26 0512
    Coding: 009795

    1 Fault Found:
    01565 - Luggage Compartment Light (W3)
    012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
    Freeze Frame:
    Fault Status: 00101100
    Fault Priority: 4
    Fault Frequency: 28
    Reset counter: 145
    Mileage: 2103 km
    Time Indication: 0
    Date: 2002.14.30
    Time: 18:17:40

    Freeze Frame:
    Term 15 Off
    Voltage: 12.30 V
    OFF
    ON
    Term 50 Off
    OFF
    OFF


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    Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels: 5K0-959-655.clb
    Part No SW: 5K0 959 655 H HW: 5K0 959 655 H
    Component: AirbagVW10G 013 0724
    Serial number: 003GVRA0757K
    Coding: 00003131
    Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
    ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360 A01014
    ROD: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360_VW36.rod
    VCID: 3F86867A1067

    Seat occupied recognition:
    Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 339 HW: 5K0 959 339 SW
    Component: BF-Gewichtss. 007 0002
    Serial number: ---0000R--0005H7U200

    Driver's Airbag Crash Sensor:
    Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354 HW: 5K0 959 354 SW
    Component: S.Sens.Fahr.V H01 ----
    Serial number: 3572MSME2D64725FZZZ4

    Passenger Side Airbag Crash Sensor:
    Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354 HW: 5K0 959 354 SW
    Component: S.Sens.Beif.V H01 ----
    Serial number: 3582MSME4F02735FZZZ2

    Driver's Rear Airbag Crash Sensor:
    Component: S.Sens.Fahr.H --- ----
    Serial number: 3512QSME48190B38ZZZZ

    Passenger's Rear Airbag Crash Sensor:
    Component: S.Sens.Beif.H --- ----
    Serial number: 3522QSME7E390B39ZZZ5

    Driver's Front Airbag Crash Sensor:
    Component: F.Sens.Fahr --- ----
    Serial number: 35527SME31497027ZZZ9

    Passenger's Front Airbag Crash Sensor:
    Component: F.Sens.Beif --- ----
    Serial number: 35627SME49736F27ZZZU

    No fault code found.

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    Address 16: Steering wheel (J527) Labels: 5K0-953-569.clb
    Part No SW: 5K0 953 507 AE HW: 5K0 953 549
    Component: Lenks.Modul 008 0080
    Revision: -------- Serial number: 90422KFA00127
    Coding: 5880140000
    Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
    ASAM Dataset: EV_SMLSNGKUDS A05001
    VCID: 73EE1A4A6CAF

    No fault code found.

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    Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-17.clb
    Part No SW: 5K0 920 972 B HW: 5K0 920 972 B
    Component: KOMBI H03 0607
    Serial number: 00000000000000
    Coding: 270F01
    Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
    ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04114
    ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW36.rod
    VCID: 2F66D63AC007

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels: 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
    Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 H HW: 1K0 907 951
    Component: J533 Gateway H42 1620
    Revision: H42 Serial number: 160611F2002662
    Coding: 350000
    Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
    VCID: 356AE452225B

    1 Fault Found:
    00484 - Vehicle Position Recognition Control Module (J603)
    004 - No Signal/Communication
    Freeze Frame:
    Fault Status: 01100100
    Fault Priority: 2
    Fault Frequency: 1
    Reset counter: 106
    Mileage: 2696 km
    Time Indication: 0
    Date: 2003.14.04
    Time: 16:29:07


    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 1C: Position Sensing
    Cannot be reached

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer (J334) Labels: 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
    Part No SW: 5K0 953 234 HW: 5K0 953 234
    Component: IMMO H03 0607
    Serial number: 00000000000000
    Coding: 000000
    Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
    ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03009
    ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW36.rod
    VCID: EAD0872EBB65

    No fault code found.

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    Address 37: Navigation (J794) Labels: 1K0-035-27x-37.clb
    Part No SW: 1K0 035 274 HW: 1K0 035 274
    Component: RNS315-NAR H05 0011
    Serial number: VWZAZ2K8422986
    Coding: 040004210400000000001000
    Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
    ASAM Dataset: EV_RNS315VWNARV1UDS A01005
    ROD: EV_RNS315VWNARV1UDS_VW36.rod
    VCID: E1C2E0024653

    2 Faults Found:
    1048667 - Antenna for Satelite Radio
    B10F4 13 [009] - Reserved by ISO 15031-6:2005
    Freeze Frame:
    Fault Status: 00000001
    Fault Priority: 5
    Fault Frequency: 1
    Reset counter: 106
    Mileage: 2696 km
    Date: 2003.14.04
    Time: 16:31:48

    1048669 - Tuner for Satelite Radio
    B11CF 53 [009] - Reserved by ISO 15031-6:2005
    Freeze Frame:
    Fault Status: 00000001
    Fault Priority: 7
    Fault Frequency: 1
    Reset counter: 106
    Mileage: 2696 km
    Date: 2003.14.04
    Time: 16:31:48


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    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
    Part No SW: 5K0 959 701 B HW: 5K0 959 701 B
    Component: Tuer-SG 009 2117
    Coding: 0001076
    Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
    VCID: 3162D042D633

    No fault code found.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
    Part No: 1K0 909 144 M
    Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl. 69 3201
    Revision: 00H20000
    Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
    VCID: 346CD9562921

    No fault code found.

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    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
    Part No SW: 5K0 959 702 B HW: 5K0 959 702 B
    Component: Tuer-SG 009 2117
    Coding: 0001076
    Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
    VCID: 3260DF4ED335

    No fault code found.

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    Address 77: Telephone (J412) Labels: 7P6-035-730.clb
    Part No SW: 7P6 035 730 F HW: 7P6 035 730 F
    Component: TELEFON H09 2730
    Revision: 1B001001 Serial number: 00007660251840
    Coding: 0A00000000010100
    Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
    ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVNA A01015
    ROD: EV_UHVNA_VW36.rod
    VCID: 356AE452225B

    No fault code found.

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    s0le1728 - I hope that wasn't you filming your satnav while your driving?
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    :D No, My girlfriend was over my shoulder filming while i drove.
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    anyone with any more input?
  15. Dana @ Ross-Tech

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    The mentioned TSB/SW updated does not apply to units with 0011 or greater but rebooting the unit or disconnecting the battery couldn't hurt.

    The GPS antenna could be faulty so if you have not installed another one I would give it a shot. The fault codes for the satellite antenna shouldn't be too hard to resolve if/when you have that unit back out, but what radio did this car have from the factory?

    The Address 1C-Position Sensing module in still in the CAN Gateway installation list which may be causing a conflict. Remove address 1C from the [Installation List] and let us know if that or the reboot improves the GPS issue.
  16. s0le1728

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    I've disconnected the battery and purchased 2 new antennas besides the one originally purchased for the install. The factory radio was the rcd-310. The postitin sensing (C1) has been turn off, had no affect on signal.
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    Okay, thanks for the update. I'd like to think the RCD satellite antenna from the factory would be compatible with the RNS system, so this may be a defective unit. I'm hoping the vehicle that came out of is under warranty?

    If I find any newer TSBs/updates or have any new ideas I'll let you know.
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    Dana - These TSBs does your company have access to these or can anyone search for them and read them? I've google it them but I've never found anything useful.
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    I know you have already had Dana review the coding but here are my thoughts:

    His Coding:

    Byte 0 - 04
    Byte 1 - 00 (I have 05)
    Byte 2 - 04 (I have 00)
    Byte 3 - 21
    Byte 4 - 04 (I have 01)
    Byte 5 - 00
    Byte 6 - 00
    Byte 7 - 00
    Byte 8 - 00
    Byte 9 - 00
    Byte 10 - 10
    Byte 11 - 00

    My Coding (2011 Golf TDI Factory Installed RNS-315 with Dynaudio and 9V7 Bluetooth):

    Byte 0 - 04
    Byte 1 - 05 (This flags as Dynaudio which I have)
    Byte 2 - 00 (Sound System, Active Speakers)
    Byte 3 - 21 (Telephone Transceiver/Bluetooth (internal) inactive)
    Byte 4 - 01 (Speaker Monitoring inactive (sound system)
    Byte 5 - 00 (Not Documented)
    Byte 6 - 00 (Optical Park System & Interior Graphics: Standard (via CAN)
    Byte 7 - 00
    Byte 8 - 00
    Byte 9 - 00 (Audio Parameter 1)
    Byte 10 - 10
    Byte 11 - 00 (00 Backup Language: None)

    It does (from the video) look like a positioning problem or that the demo mode may be on. Did you reconfirm in SETTINGS that demo mode is off? (Just to cover your bases?)

    My old Acura system used to let you adjust positioning if it was slightly off. It was in a hidden diagnostics screen. I haven't found that screen for the RNS-315 yet.

    One more thing, where did you install the antenna for the GPS? Can it see the sky well? Is it blocked by metal? Are you integrating into the shark fin antenna?
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  20. TDIStevestr

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    Your diagnostic data is saying GPS Reception = 0

    Another shot in the dark here but did you replace the antenna with one from a RNS-315 series?
    A new antenna itself is around $100. Perhaps it does need a RNS specific antenna.

    Strange that in the parts catalog there are antennas listed in two places. One for the radio and one for the Navigation. No part numbers are listed but I wonder if there are different antennas and perhaps you have to get a GPS-compatible one?

    The antenna listed in the radio parts was $98 but the antenna listed in the navigation had a "ask for price".

    Antenna #2 does seem to have a small square piece underneath the fin that #1 didn't have. Dunno if this makes any difference.

    "Regular" Antenna for 2011 Golf:
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    "Navigation" Antenna for 2011 Golf:
    [​IMG]

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