Fuel Pump Relay (J17) /Glow Plug / Speed Sensor -2007- VW Golf MK5 Tdi BMN (engine)

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  1. ak77

    ak77 Member

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    Car:
    Mk5 GT Tdi Golf
    Location:
    Perth WA
    Hi everyone,
    Hope someone can shed some light on this for me please.

    First to start off by saying that I still drive this car on regular basis bout 100km per day and I had it for about 3 years now.
    The car produces normal power when and opens up great on the freeway.

    Lately it has problem starting. It will turn over second time around having to hold the key in ignition for bit longer than normal.
    Noticed on regular basis the glow plug light takes little bit longer to turn off than on my other golfs. Approx 7-10 seconds while on other cars it quick 2 seconds. This is quicker of-course once the car was driven and engine is warmed up.

    Battery is healthy and fully charged. 1 year old.

    Today the car wouldn't start and glow plug is, was flashing while key in ignition constantly until I turned the ignit off and took the key out. After that second time around , ignition in, car turned on no problems. After scanning :Its the first time it spat out the G28 Speed sensor today. Replaced the sensor year ago.

    I would like to note that in the last year I have replaced the speed sensor and year to that the fuel pump control modules.
    the 01259 - Fuel Pump Relay (J17)
    009 - Open or Short to Ground error has been present at priority 5 for the entire time while I owned the car and could not clear out of the system. Both pumps work fine and diesel is flowing no issues there. Posted here about it quite some time ago.

    3 years prior I have replaced the injectors as the car wouldn't start and I found the GT model had a recall on Piazzio injectors.

    Having done all that, I have cleared the speed sensor code and it did not come back, but, the 01259 - Fuel Pump Relay (J17) is till something I can not resolve. Startup is the big issue now.

    I would appreciate any suggestions , help , any idea what to look at as I'm at the stage of no return with this .

    Thanks in advance

    Cheers

    Al


    Code:
    ___________________Today's Scan ______________________________________
    
    Tuesday,03,October,2017,12:50:38:41771
    VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows XP x86(VMWare)
    VCDS Version 17.8.0.1
    Data version: 20170721 DS276.2
    www.Ross-Tech.com
    
    
    VIN: WVWZZZ1KZ8U002011   License Plate: GTAK2017
    Mileage: 158350km-98394mi   Repair Order: GTd_17Oct
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 72 76
    
    VIN: WVWZZZ1KZ8U002011   Mileage: 158350km-98394miles
    
    01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
    03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
    04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
    08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
    09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
    16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
    17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
    19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
    25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
    42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
    44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
    52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
    56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
    62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
    72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
    76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine        Labels: 03G-906-018-BMN.clb
       Part No SW: 03G 906 018 FC    HW: 03G 906 018 FC
       Component: R4 2.0l PPD1.2 G    1155 
       Revision: --H42---    Serial number: VWX7Z0G43NO1FZ
       Coding: 0000078
       Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
       VCID: 6BD5F48C4A26DB1E4F-803F
    
    1 Fault Found:
    000801 - Engine Speed Sensor (G28)
                   P0321 - 006 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00000001
                        Fault Priority: 5
                        Fault Frequency: 5
                        Reset counter: 40
                        Mileage: 158349 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 11:17:20
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                        RPM: 288 /min
                        Torque: 0.0 Nm
                        Speed: 0.0 km/h
                        Time: 0.01 s
                        Angle: 0.0 °
                        Bin. Bits: 00000000
                        Bin. Bits: 00000001
    
    Readiness: N/A
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 02: Auto Trans        Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
       Part No SW: 02E 300 044 L    HW: 02E 927 770 AE
       Component: GSG DSG         081 1403 
       Revision: 04608010    Serial number: 00000704301340
       Coding: 0000020
       Shop #: WSC 44551 111 44551
       VCID: 1E33ED58C914FEB698-804B
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC    HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
       Component: ESP FRONT MK60      0101 
       Revision: 00H11001  
       Coding: 0023170
       Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
       VCID: 73E5ECEC121603DE87-8027
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 1K0-907-044.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 044 BR    HW: 1K0 907 044 BR
       Component: ClimatronicPQ35 120 1111 
       Revision: 00120021    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 78FFDBC00B706086B2-802D
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels:. 3C0-937-049-30-H.lbl
       Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 AJ    HW: 3C0 937 049 AJ
       Component: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2202 
       Revision: 00H54000    Serial number: 00000007980938
       Coding: E58D8F2700041500471400001400000000087F075C000100000000000000
       Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
       VCID: 71E9E6E4680A31CE75-8025
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K2 955 119 E  Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
       Component: Wischer 140707 020  0501 
       Coding: 00049109
       Shop #: WSC 00046 
    
       Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AB  Labels: 1K0-955-559-AF.CLB
       Component: RLS     310806 020  0105 
       Coding: 00208933
       Shop #: WSC 00046 
    
    2 Faults Found:
    01259 - Fuel Pump Relay (J17)
                009 - Open or Short to Ground
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101001
                        Fault Priority: 5
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 207
                        Mileage: 154382 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2005.09.13
                        Time: 31:63:63
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                            ON
                        Voltage: 12.00 V
                            ON
                            ON
                            OFF
                            OFF
                            OFF
    
    02092 - Enabling Heated Seat
                009 - Open or Short to Ground
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01101001
                        Fault Priority: 5
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 207
                        Mileage: 154382 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2005.09.13
                        Time: 31:63:63
    
                 Freeze Frame:
                            ON
                        Voltage: 13.95 V
                            ON
                            ON
                            OFF
                            OFF
                            ON
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 T    HW: 1K0 909 605 T
       Component: 1P AIRBAG VW8   020 2300 
       Revision: 05020000    Serial number: 0038PD19R1ST 
       Coding: 0012624
       Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
       VCID: 3D710AD464D285AEA1-8069
    
       Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME173C6109A
    
       Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME1A251E29G
    
       Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6352QSME265C3269M
    
       Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6362QSME274E403BN
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel        Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AQ    HW: 1K0 953 549 AQ
       Component: J0527           636 0070 
       Coding: 0012122
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 0109B62458AA214E85-8055
    
       Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
       Component: E0221           002 0010
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
       Part No SW: 1K0 920 874 B    HW: 1K0 920 874 B
       Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 1216 
       Revision: V0002000    Serial number: VWX7Z0G43NO1FZ
       Coding: 0003103
       Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
       VCID: 2C5737908FA81C2606-8079
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V3.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 L    HW: 1K0 907 951
       Component: J533  Gateway   H07 0052 
       Revision:   H07 01    Serial number: 040607F2001151
       Coding: ED807F0E0002020003
       Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
       VCID: 306F23E0A38078C63A-8065
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 25: Immobilizer        Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 920 874 B    HW: 1K0 920 874 B
       Component: IMMO            VDD 1216 
       Revision: V0002000    Serial number: VWX7Z0G43NO1FZ
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 2C5737908FA81C2606-8079
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 42: Door Elect, Driver        Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MAX3.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 N    HW: 1K0 959 701 N
       Component: Tuer-SG         006 120B 
       Coding: 0000692
       Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
       VCID: 39791EC470FAB98E8D-806D
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V3.clb
       Part No: 1K2 909 144 M
       Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.069 H08 1901 
       Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
       VCID: 366315F841E456F660-8063
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels:. 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 BT    HW: 1K0 959 433 BT
       Component:    KSG PQ35 G2  020 0204 
       Revision: 00020000    Serial number: 00000000000000
       Coding: 809002005103087F2D0484056008DF0380FC00
       Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
       VCID: 0305BC2C42B6335E97-8057
    
       Subsystem 1 - Component:   Sounder n.mounted    
    
       Subsystem 2 - Component:       NGS n.mounted    
    
       Subsystem 3 - Component:      IRUE n.mounted    
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.        Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MAX3.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 N    HW: 1K0 959 702 N
       Component: Tuer-SG         005 090B 
       Coding: 0000948
       Shop #: WSC 00046 412 00000
       VCID: 3A7B01C875FCB29684-806F
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio (J503)       Labels:. 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
       Part No SW: 56D 035 190 A    HW: 56D 035 190 A
       Component: RCD510USBRVC  001 0003 
       Revision: -----001    Serial number: VWZ4Z3M8175927
       Coding: 0100046404000B
       Shop #: WSC 00078 790 00230
       VCID: 224BD9A83D6CDA56BC-8077
    
    2 Faults Found:
    01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
                004 - No Signal/Communication
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 01100100
                        Fault Priority: 6
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 45
                        Mileage: 154382 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 18:04:29
    
    02873 - Control Module for Back-Up Camera (J772)
                004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
                 Freeze Frame:
                        Fault Status: 00100100
                        Fault Priority: 5
                        Fault Frequency: 1
                        Reset counter: 45
                        Mileage: 0 km
                        Time Indication: 0
                        Date: 2000.00.00
                        Time: 18:34:56
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 62: Door, Rear Left        Labels:. 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 K    HW: 1K0 959 703 K
       Component: Tuer-SG         006 1201 
       Coding: 0000144
       Shop #: WSC 00046 412 1012544
       VCID: 387F1BC04BF0A08672-806D
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 72: Door, Rear Right        Labels:. 1K0-959-704-GEN3.clb
       Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 K    HW: 1K0 959 704 K
       Component: Tuer-SG         006 1201 
       Coding: 0000144
       Shop #: WSC 00046 412 1012544
       VCID: 39791EC470FAB98E8D-806D
    
    No fault code found.
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 76: Park Assist        Labels: 1K0-919-283.lbl
       Part No: 1K0 919 283 A
       Component: 22 Einparkhilfe     0101 
       Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
       VCID: 2D513A94B4B2152E11-8079
    
    No fault code found.
    
    End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:43)--------------------------
    
    

    Address 01: DTCs cleared
     
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  2. Keithuk

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  3. ak77

    ak77 Member

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    Location:
    Perth WA
    Hey thanks Keith , I have read this but still not anything I haven't done in the past,

    _____
    Thanks for your help its appreciated. I have driven today all day with speed sensor codes cleared , the issue didn't arise again. I'm thinking it will take a few days for the error to resurface if any.
    But my start up is still weak and have to do it out of second go. Just the fact that I can not erase the Fuel Pump J17 Relay code , I'm suspecting the ECU. But at this stage for a Mk5 golf might not be an option as it would be $$$ to replace and format. Unless there is another option.

    With regards to wiring and connections , all continuity and resistance caked and all fine, tested with care. Speed sensor only came up twice , once about year go and replaced. Was a nightmare as its in worst possible cavity on BMN models.

    I'm puzzled why the Relay Error keeps showing, only 5 Priority\

    More help please,

    Al
     

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