2005 Passat TDI Wagon - no power under 2000 rpm

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  1. tagentry

    tagentry New Member

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    2005 Passat GLS TDI Wagon
    I bought this car a few months back with 95K miles on it. I owned a 2005 Golf TDI previously and wanted to get my wife a good diesel for the mileage . After driving it for a couple of months she was complaining of drastically losing power while driving, what I later discovered to be "limp" mode. I also noticed that the car was extremely sluggish off the line, even worse when cold, but that much I expect.

    In any case, we took it back to the dealer we bought the car from as they owed us some repairs, including replacing the AC compressor. Initially there was a code in the computer. I'm assuming an overboost and they replaced the boost valve. That had no effect on it, and we were still going into limp mode, although no codes were being reported anymore.

    While they replaced the AC condenser, we had them go ahead and replace the timing belt, since it was due to be serviced soon anyway and they investigated the cam. Of course, they said there was wear on it, so we replaced that with the new and improved cam. The car does run smoother since, so I'll buy that.

    Next they found a bent impeller on the turbo, assuming this was putting the car into limp mode, they sent the turbo out for a rebuild. The rebuild shop indicated the turbo had been oil-starved, so they next found a plugged oil return line and replaced.

    All that appears to have fixed the limp mode issue, but the engine still doesn't make any power under 2000 rpm. This had the mechanic stumped so he farmed it out to another TDI expert, who felt the rebuilt Turbo was bad, so they put on a brand new Turbo. Still no power under 2K.

    I'm out of money at this point to continue having them run around in circles. The car is drivable as long as the rpm's stay above 2k, you just have to time getting rolling.

    I have read that this could be related to vacuum pressure or an MAF sensor (1.9 TDI) but don't know if the latter would be the case with the B5.

    Any pointers/help would be much appreciated so that when I have some money again and a good recommendation for a mechanic in the Seattle area I can get this fixed. I can do a lot myself, but don't have the proper test tools to verify things.

    Mech said there weren't any codes, I have since acquired vag-com and I'm including auto-scan output. It looks to me like I have a bad MAF sensor, but I'd like opinions/confirmation on anything else before I replace that.

    Tuesday,02,August,2011,16:37:14:25120
    VCDS Version: Release 10.6.4
    Data version: 20110418



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    Chassis Type: 3B - VW Passat B5
    Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 19 35 36 37 46 47 55 56 57 58 75 76 77


    VIN: WVWCE63BX5E114242 Mileage: 157400km/97803miles
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    Address 01: Engine Labels: 038-906-016-BHW.lbl
    Part No SW: 038 906 016 R HW: 028 101 198 2
    Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000AG 6416
    Revision: 12345678 Serial number: VWZ7Z0D1096103
    Coding: 0150034
    Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
    VCID: 234B13E19B45

    2 Faults Found:
    16486 - Mass Air Flow Sensor (G70): Signal too Low
    P0102 - 000 - -
    Freeze Frame:
    RPM: 924 /min
    Torque: 58.0 Nm
    Speed: 0.0 km/h
    Load: 0.0 %
    Duty Cycle: 100.6 %
    Bin. Bits: 00001000
    Mass Air / Rev.: 355.0 mg/str
    Mass Air / Rev.: 0.0 mg/str

    16683 - Boost Pressure Regulation: Control Range Not Reached
    P0299 - 000 - -
    Freeze Frame:
    RPM: 2394 /min
    Torque: 238.0 Nm
    Speed: 92.0 km/h
    Load: 54.5 %
    Voltage: 13.91 V
    Bin. Bits: 00001000
    Absolute Pres.: 2254.2 mbar
    Absolute Pres.: 1815.6 mbar

    Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0

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    Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 01V-927-156.lbl
    Part No: 3B0 927 156 CF
    Component: AG5 01V 2.0lPD USA 0505
    Coding: 0001104
    Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
    VCID: 6CD938DD361B

    No fault code found.

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    Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 4B0-614-517.lbl
    Part No: 4B0 614 517 G
    Component: ABS/ESP front 3428
    Coding: 04257
    Shop #: WSC 05311
    VCID: 254F0DF99571

    No fault code found.

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    Address 15: Airbags Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl
    Part No: 1C0 909 605 C
    Component: 09 AIRBAG VW61 04 0003
    Coding: 12345
    Shop #: WSC 05311
    VCID: 244910FD9E4B

    1 Fault Found:
    00532 - Supply Voltage B+
    07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent

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    Address 17: Instruments Labels: 3B0-920-xx5-17.lbl
    Part No: 3B0 920 929 C
    Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V07
    Coding: 15235
    Shop #: WSC 00000
    VCID: 275307F1EF7D
    WVWCE63BX5E114242 VWZ7Z0D1096103

    1 Fault Found:
    00779 - Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17)
    30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent

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    Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl
    Part No: 6N0 909 901
    Component: Gateway K<->CAN 0001
    Coding: 00006
    Shop #: WSC 05311
    VCID: F0E1ACAD9A33

    No fault code found.

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    Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1C0-959-799.lbl
    Part No: 1C0 959 799 C
    Component: 80 Komfortger·t HLO 0004
    Coding: 00258
    Shop #: WSC 05311
    VCID: 3773D7B13FDD

    Part No: 1C1959801
    Component: 80 Tırsteuer.FS KLO 0202

    Part No: 1C1959802
    Component: 80 Tırsteuer.BF KLO 0202

    Part No: 1C0959811
    Component: 80 Tırsteuer.HL KLO 0202

    Part No: 1C0959812
    Component: 80 Tırsteuer.HR KLO 0202

    No fault code found.

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    Address 56: Radio Labels: 3B7-035-1xx-56.lbl
    Part No: 3B7 035 180 G
    Component: Radio PM6 0016
    Coding: 00031
    Shop #: WSC 05311
    VCID: 244910FD9E4B

    No fault code found.

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  2. chittychittybangbang

    chittychittybangbang Administrator

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    The outside air temp sensor short is nothing, clear it and see if it comes back, if you want to fix it, trace the wirng.

    It's possible the MAF is bad, since you already have vcds, do some datalogging while driving and compare the values shown to the requested value. If far off, something is causing that, either bad MAF, air restriction or bad EGR (displaces intake air). The low boost is also a problem. Many possible causes, check out the limp mode article. Although the article is written for the ALH, the procedures are the same on your BHW engine.

    The only possible difference is that your turbo actuator may be a different psi, i've never tried testing mine. Test yours and then I'll test mine to see if it's much different. The actuator also has a sensor that can see vane position. That is the black thing on the end of it.

    Also check camshaft torsion, see the FAQ for how to do this. If it's way off it should throw a code since the cam sensor will detect it but you never know what funny things can cause power issues so it's worth checking.

    It shouldn't be a fuel delivery restriction since these normally show up at higher requested power too. Finally, check out the b5 new owner guide for some other common problems. I suggest doing the balance shaft replacement if you plan on keeping the car for a long time. If you're fed up with it, the 2012 Passat looks really good and priced right!
  3. tagentry

    tagentry New Member

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    Car:
    2005 Passat GLS TDI Wagon
    Replaced MAF

    Attached is a log of the Grp 3, 10, 11 taken after I changed out the MAF. The car is still a bit slow off the line, but it idles smoother and rolls through the rpms better. Let me know if anything stands out or if there is another group I should monitor.

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  4. tagentry

    tagentry New Member

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    Car:
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    Still going into limp mode

    Went into limp mode again as my wife was driving to work. Coded again with the following

    Address 01: Engine Labels: 038-906-016-BHW.lbl
    Part No SW: 038 906 016 R HW: 028 101 198 2
    Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000AG 6416
    Revision: 12345678 Serial number: VWZ7Z0D1096103
    Coding: 0150034
    Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
    VCID: 234B13E19B45

    1 Fault Found:
    16683 - Boost Pressure Regulation: Control Range Not Reached
    P0299 - 000 - - - Intermittent
    Freeze Frame:
    RPM: 2289 /min
    Torque: 192.0 Nm
    Speed: 62.0 km/h
    Load: 43.9 %
    Voltage: 14.21 V
    Bin. Bits: 00001000
    Absolute Pres.: 2080.8 mbar
    Absolute Pres.: 1570.8 mbar

    Readiness: 1 1 0 0 0
  5. chittychittybangbang

    chittychittybangbang Administrator

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    Boost looks a little off but it's hard to see because it's not in graph form.

    You've replaced the turbo, N75 boost solenoid, and MAF. At least some more expensive things have been checked. What else, have all vac lines been checked? Boost leak test done? Start working through the limp mode article.
  6. mike04passat

    mike04passat New Member

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    Car:
    04 VW Passat
    passat limp mode

    I have an 04 Passat that keeps going into limp mode since I had a head, injectors and turbo replaced.
    I had the car dyno'd on original tune 105hp, Kermatune 125hp. It threw no codes on the dyno under load. Next day just cruising on highway under slight load -limp. N75 replaced, nothing changed. Ideas?
  7. chittychittybangbang

    chittychittybangbang Administrator

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  8. dijmarescu

    dijmarescu New Member

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    2001 vw golf tdi
    Looks like the wastegate is not fully closing at low rpm,could it be that the stop screw has been moved perhaps?since they worked on that turbo or improperly adjusted actuator?

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