1000q: mk3 jetta/passat "how to" index list
1000q: mk4 "how to" index and checklists
1000q: mk4 "how to" index and checklist for pumpe duse
1000q: b5 Passat specific DIY index
1000q: mk5 Jetta TDI "how to" index
1000q: mk6 Golf-Jetta-Sportwagen DIY index
It feels as if the car is being held back when you request more power or as if the parking brake is on. You might not notice it on a level road with light engine load because you don't need much power to drive slowly on a level road. You're more likely to trigger/notice it on highway on ramps or going up hills because this requests more power/turbo boost. The check engine light (CEL) or malfunction indicator light (MIL) on the instrument cluster doesn't always go off. If you have always have low power without the sudden cut out feeling or the engine just won't rev high then read 1000q: constant low power on TDI. Many causes and symptoms overlap so read both articles - this article focuses more on power suddenly cutting out instead of constant low power.
Limp mode is not when the engine seems to start fine but immediately suddenly shuts off. If this happens look for the immobilizer "yellow car" symbol on the instrument panel, see 1000q: immo FAQ. If this is the case the anti theft immobilizer is shutting off the engine. If the car shuts completely off well after 2 seconds it's not an immobilizer problem. Check the air intake piping, fuel filter, fuel pickup in the fuel tank, and fuel shutoff solenoid at the injection pump (1996-2003 cars only, single black wire leading to solenoid).
It's not when you turn the key and the engine doesn't even try to start or turn over. You have a low battery, ignition key, or starter problem. See 1000q: starter check and diagnosis to see the fix if you have a mk3 or mk4 car. (Or see 1000q: b5 Passat starter, 1000q: mk5 Jetta starter FAQ, if you have one of those cars.)
If the engine shuts off suddenly during normal driving and you don't see the glow plug light go on during failed restarts then replace the black relay 109 with the newer gray relay 109 (1996-2003 cars only, it's under the steering wheel in the relay panel). It sometimes cools and lets you restart. The problem with black relay 109 was bad soldering. This relay controls power to the ECU and prevents the glow plug light from coming on at all during failed restarts. Newer cars have a similar main power relay on the fusebox.
If the engine stays at a constant 1200 RPM and won't go higher your accelerator pedal or wiring could be faulty - this should trip an error code. This could produce constant low power instead of limp mode but the error code and other symptoms should tip you off. The pedal is drive by wire, meaning there's no cable attaching it to a throttle, it's just electrical wires and sensors. In the mk3 TDI the pedal sensor is a potentiometer. In the mk4 TDI there are 2 pedal sensors (g79 and g185 sensors which are potentiometers), if one fails you should get an error code, if both fail the ECU will limit engine RPM to 1200. This should be obvious when reading the accelerator pedal value through VCDS. Turn the car on, plug in VCDS, and it will tell you how far the accelerator pedal is being pressed.
If the car ran fine before but is suddenly bucking or jerking at a certain RPM range you probably have a loose/cracked intake piping. It's subjected to heat and pressure on turbo cars and can crack, releasing the intake air. A clip may have also released, letting a hose slip off. Look around for loose hoses and then do a boost leak check. See 1000q: boost leak testing for more details. A major boost leak may result in hard starting but smooth but smoky idling.
If the engine RPM goes up but the car's speed stays the same or doesn't increase with RPM, then you have a bad/slipping clutch or transmission. If the engine RPM stays as sluggish as the car's speed the transmission/clutch is probably fine. See 1000q: clutch FAQ for more details on clutches used on the TDI and the dual mass clutch. If you have a DSG transmission and the PNDRL "shifter" gear selector lights are all on or blinking, you have a low battery (also check voltage regulator or alternator). Some DSG are starting to show defective transmission temp sensors which cause false neutrals.
It's never the glow plugs or glow plug harness, these don't have any effect on power.
If the car's top speed is 20 mph, there are other major problems. Limp mode should still let you slowly accelerate to 40-50 mph.
The car's computer is constantly monitoring sensors such as air flow, EGR flow, fuel flow, etc., and is expecting certain values. If a sensor sends a signal that is "out of bounds" through malfunction or failure, the car's computer will fall back to a safety map or cut fueling and turbo boost to prevent damage. This is because overboosting or overfueling could cause engine damage. A diesel is built more sturdy than a gasoline engine and boost spikes are normal in a diesel. Even still, any engine has limits so the computer pulls back engine power to prevent these limits from being exceeded.
The effect is that you lose the power from the turbo or don't get fuel, making it feel as if you lost the turbo or lost all power right when you need it. Also see: 1000q: boost and vacuum leak testing , 1000q: turbocharging FAQ, and 1000q: MAF FAQ for some more background information. Again, if you have constant low power or can't rev the engine high, also read 1000q: constant low power on TDI.
Here are the generations for TDI engines sold in North America.
Mk3 (mark 3) = 1996-1997 3rd generation Passat TDI or 1996-1999 3rd gen Jetta TDI
Mk4= 1998-2006 New Beetle, 1999-2005 Jetta, 1999-2006 Golf, 2004-2005 Passat TDI
Mk5= 2005.5-2010 Jetta TDI sedan and wagon
Mk6= 2010+ Golf, Jetta wagon, 2011+ Jetta TDI, 2012+ Passat TDI
With any problem on a modern car, first scan the car's computer for error codes and see what you have. If you don't have a code scanner, many auto parts stores will scan it for free. To access sensor readings or for problems that aren't caused by something obvious, you need a Ross tech VCDS cable. This is a VW Audi specific laptop computer diagnostic cable to talk to the car computer. It is much more advanced than what the generic error code scanners can do and without it you can't do the more advanced tests. The cables aren't cheap but they are lot cheaper than blindly replacing parts or paying a mechanic. Below are some of the more common codes that show up from limp mode.
Then inspect all the vacuum lines for worn ends or split corners. Also inspect boost hoses for loose couplers or do a boost leak test. The reason boost leak test is also listed above is because sometimes it causes limp mode and sometimes it causes stumbling and bucking with an OK idle.
Since any cause of limp power is possible in your exact case, this article is divided into more common, less common, and rare causes. The numbers are in no particular order, it's just for organization. Of course, if you have any error codes tripped or have a clue to what's causing limp mode you should address those causes first. If there is an article showing more details, it will be linked from this page, otherwise ask your question in the myturbodiesel forums. Touareg troubleshooting is not included here but the basic principles are the same and I think that many of the codes will be caused by the same problems.
These codes show a problem with the system that senses turbo boost and controls the turbo. Most of the time, a sudden cut of power is related to sensor or turbo problems. These codes generally show an underboost or overboost situation which sets you into limp mode. The N75 solenoid is the solenoid that controls pressure to the turbo wastegate (mk3 TDI) or vacuum to the VNT actuator (mk4, mk5, mk6 TDI). Here's how it works: once the intake manifold pressure sensor shows boost pressure reaching the desired value, the ECU activates the N75 solenoid which fluctuates vac/pressure to the wastegate/VNT actuator to stabilize the boost pressure at the desired value. If the vacuum lines are broken or the solenoid is bad, it won't control pressure which causes a problem which the ECU sees. You can try removing the N75 and flushing it out with electronic cleaner. Once dry, try a squirt of WD40 inside to help the solenoid move freely.
Check the wiring harness grounds for corrosion or breaks. Bad grounds can cause mysterious electrical problems. Also check the wiring/connector for breaks or corrosion coming to and from the N75 valve. If that doesn't work, N75 replacement may be needed, see below for the part numbers. The N75 in the 1996-97 passat is on the firewall next to the coolant reservoir. The 1996-1999 Jetta's N75 is in the engine bay on the passenger side fender by the fuel filter. The 1998-2006 mk4 generation N75 is on the firewall behind the accordion-like hose coming from the airbox.
1996-1999 mk3 body, VW #028-906-283-F (pierburg type n75)
N75 1998-1999 mk4 body, VW #1H0-906-627-A, for Up To Vin # 9 MX 999000
N75 1998-2005 mk4 body, VW #1J0-906-627-A, ALH and BHW engine, for From Vin # 9M Y 000 001, D shaped connector
If you have an mk4, swap the EGR solenoid with the n75 solenoid as a temporary test for the N75. It's possible for the EGR solenoid to cause limp mode but this is not as common as the other problems, cleaning it out may be the solution. Again, check the vacuum lines first.
1a. Boost Deviation Intermittent means you most likely have a vacuum leak somewhere.
Check all vacuum lines, turbo actuator, and plastic fittings. There are vacuum lines
that connect the turbo, car computer, sensors, etc., and tend to get frayed
at the ends or rub through.
1b. Boost Deviation Negative means you have a clogged intake, turbo actuator that's leaking, bad vacuum lines, or a sticky turbo actuator lever. If you have a VNT turbo, it may be because of stuck VNT vanes which requires removal and cleaning of the vanes. See the below section for related causes.
1c. Boost Deviation Positive means you have a N75 that's bad/malfunctioning, actuator that's leaking, bad vacuum lines, bad boost sensor, or a sticky turbo VNT or wastegate lever. If you have a VNT turbo, it may require removal and cleaning of the vanes. See the below section for related causes. If you're getting an overboost error, it's never the MAF.
For mk3 cars only: The A3 and B4 models (1996- 1999 jetta/passat TDI) have a vacuum line inside of the ECU. If you get error 65535 - Internal Control Module Memory Error and some boost codes, it's most likely this hose. The plastic inside may be fragile so see 1000q: ecu hose for a "how to", pictures, and a diagram of the vacuum line routing. Later cars do not have this internal line. These cars do not have a VNT and the wastegate is fairly reliable. To test the wastegate actuator, apply pressure to the vac line going to the wastegate can. The wastegate arm should move. If it doesn't, it indicates a problem with the actuator or vacuum line.
For mk4 and mk5 cars only: The turbo actuator or turbo vanes can get
stuck. See 1000q: VNT actuator check and
removal and 1000q: turbo cleaning for more
details and the below section. Below are vacuum line diagrams for the
mk4 ALH (below left) and BEW (labeled BEW) engines. (1Z and AHU engine vacuum
diagram was in the ecu hose article linked above). There should be
stickers above the radiator support that have vacuum diagrams there too if you don't have one of these engines.
If you have an mk4 or newer TDI, your car uses a VNT turbo. This section does not apply to the mk3 TDI. See 1000q: turbocharging FAQ to see exactly what a VNT turbo is. The actuator or adjustable vanes inside the turbo can stick or go bad from soot and carbon clogging the VNT vanes. On a regular basis like highway on ramps, you should rev the engine high and hard to raise exhaust gas temperatures (EGT). Raising EGT will burn up and blow out carbon and soot build up in the exhaust system and turbo. Only do this once the engine is fully warmed up and let the car cool down with a period of normal driving afterwards. More detailed procedures and pictures here: 1000q: VNT actuator check and removal and diagnosis TDI. This link gives instructions on how exactly to check it. Again, the mk3 TDI uses a wastegate, use pressure to check it instead of vacuum.
If it's sticking, try to free it up by lubricating it, manually moving it, or by giving it a hard run. This may burn up or loosen any sticking bits inside. Give it a blast with PB Blaster or another penetrating lubricant. PB Blaster eats rust more than WD-40. This might only provide a temporary solution. If you read the above link on detailed diagnosis and need a new one, click the links here to compare current pricing, shipping, tax, etc.: kermatdi VNT actuator, Dealers don't normally stock this part or sell it because it's more profitable to sell an entire turbo and selling an entire turbo also fixes/rules out any internal turbo problem and fixes the problem in 1 visit.
If you're lucky the VNT actuator or vacuum lines are leaking or the N75 valve is bad. Attach a vacuum pump and see if they're holding vacuum. If not then the turbo vanes or lever are stuck and the turbo should be removed for disassembly and cleaning. See 1000q: turbo removal ALH/BEW engine.
The N75 valve controls vac/pressure to the wastegate/VNT actuator. It's labeled "boost pressure frequency valve" in the diagrams above. It should be getting around 22" vacuum upstream of the valve (check the vac pump output lines) and about 19-20" vacuum downstream of it. If it's close to this and the N75 valve moves freely with no error codes the valve is most likely OK. If the solenoid themselves are bad they should throw a code. If they are are physically worn the vacuum pressure will be low from leaking. On the ALH engine you can switch the N75 with the N18 EGR solenoid (egr frequency valve) as a test.
The videos below show how the VNT actuator and vane work. The lever on
the outside is welded to a lever inside the turbo housing. This is how it
moves the VNT vanes. See the below videos to see how smoothly and free the
lever should move. It should not stick or bind at all. Vacuum is
being applied to the can, not pressure. The lever moves a ring and the ring moves the vanes. These vanes change
the angle and speed of exhaust hitting the turbine wheel. If these vanes
are sticking it will cause low power or limp mode, depending how how badly
they're stuck and at what angle.
If you have a pumpe duse Jetta, Golf, or New Beetle (2004-2006), your car has a smart VNT actuator that has a sensor to check its position, pictured right. The wires for the sensor tend to break or rub through. 2004-2005 VW Passat TDI and earlier cars don't have this sensor.
The mk5-mk6 cars use a Borg Warner turbo that moves out with vacuum instead of in but it otherwise works the same. My mk5 Jetta actuator started to push out around 3" vac and was fully extended around 17-18".
The stop screw position is also very important. It seems to cause hesitation on Borg Warner turbos if misadjusted or is in need of adjustment. See 1000q: mk5 stop screw check and hesitation solution for details. Mk4 TDI engine stop screw adjustment is similar but VCDS cannot do that test.
See 1000q: boost leak check for more details. A fault in intake manifold pressure could indicate this or worn vacuum lines. Often, intake hoses will split due to age or rubbing/proximity to exhaust piping. Mk3 Jetta tend to have the rubber elbow hose before the intake manifold split on the far side where you can't see it. If you worked on the car recently did you attach and tighten all piping? It's possible a hose has since popped off. Did someone stuff paper towels into the intake piping and forget to take them out?
A cracked hose or loose connector lets measured air out. No air or major leaks = poor engine running or stuttering. A visual inspection may not reveal all the possible or hard to see spots where leaks can form. See 1000q: boost leak check for a foolproof method of finding all leaks. Common places for a boost leak to occur is at hose ends (the hoses pop off due to a loose connector or worn locking tab), the corners, or places where it rubs against something else. mk3 Jetta TDI tended to wear out the rubber hose before the intake manifold because it's close to the hot exhaust piping. mk4 Passat TDI tend to wear out one of the lower intake hoses because it rubs against a ground cable.
2004 and newer engines use snap hose couplers. These quick connect tab-spring
connections can pop off if it's not tight or wear down the locking tabs. If
it's only locked on 1 side (the clips+tabs are on 2 sides) the hose can pop off halfway and let boost out. For some reason, mk4
engines tend to wear the tabs at the intake manifold (probably due to a looser
fit) which made the hose pop out. This is shown below. If it's loose you can use an aftermarket
doggie collar to lock it in place or replace the hose. A replacement
for the BEW engine
hose shown below is VW# 1j0 145 838 t (1j0145838t)
Was the intake manifold recently removed and cleaned? The metal EGR hoses could have come loose or cracked. If there's enough of an exhaust leak at the EGR hoses or exhaust manifold, the gases powering the turbo will leak out, causing unexpected values and limp mode. Check for soot stains around the exhaust area. It's common for the intake hoses or valve cover to seep oil so make sure that's not what you see. There's a video of an EGR hose leak in the boost leak article above.
A bad batch of biodiesel or diesel fuel could clog the fuel filter. If you have a high mileage car, using a high percentage of biodiesel can loosen built up deposits that travel through the fuel lines and clog the fuel filter. If your fuel injectors have been sitting dry outside of the car, diesel fuel can go bad and gum up the tiny components inside the fuel injector.
Remove the intake piping before the intake manifold and look with a flashlight. If you've never seen a clogged intake, you will be surprised at the amount of carbon buildup in the intake manifold. Up to 1/5-1/6" of buildup on the inside is normal. Please refer to 1000q: mk3 intake cleaning and removal, 1000q: mk4 ALH intake cleaning, or 1000q: mk5 intake and EGR cleaning. Mk3 and mk4 cars are more prone to carbon buildup due to design and EGR metering. Now that all fuel sold in North America (not Mexico) is ultra low sulfur diesel (USLD) only, clogging problems should be much less.
It's possible that the EGR valve or intake flap are sticking due to carbon. It's also possible that the EGR valve (and its vacuum lines and control solenoid) is bad or the intake flap gears are stripped (intake flaps 2004 and newer are electrically actuated and use plastic gears).
See 1000q: MAF FAQ or 1000q: MAF testing, replacement and troubleshooting for more details on mk4 and newer cars). And see 1000q: diagnosing constant low power - MAF problems could be causing both constant low power and triggering limp mode. This problem is common on mk4 and newer cars but rare on mk3 TDI. A bad MAF does not normally trip an error code. A bad MAF does not trip overboost but could contribute to underboost.
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